Julian Assange sits down with John Pilger during the filming of Pilger's "The War You Don't See" for an extended, unhurried conversation about WikiLeaks, journalism, and the machinery being built to prosecute him. Assange lays out the case against a secret grand jury convened in Virginia, in a county where much of the population works for the Pentagon, CIA, or Department of Homeland Security, and legal observers here call the jury pool a setup rather than a coincidence. The two discuss reviving the Espionage Act, a law last used widely to jail peace activists during the First World War, as the vehicle for an indictment, and they trace how war-on-terror conspiracy statutes have bent ordinary judicial process out of shape. Much of the talk turns to the Obama administration's pursuit of Assange and what a life sentence in a maximum-security prison would mean, framed as the establishment's response to an information leak it cannot control. Pilger, an old hand at war reporting himself, presses Assange on what independent journalism owes the public when governments and courts move against it together.